PDA

View Full Version : The truth about the rescue?


BlackHills
04-18-2009, 11:16 PM
I have no idea how much truth there is to this email I received, however if I had to guess I'd say it's far more accurate than anything we've been told.

Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:

1. BHO wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander) recommendation.

2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was in "imminent" danger

3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction

4. When the navy RIB came under fire as it approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions. As the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in.

5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge CPN and SEAL teams

6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the Op Area and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead raggies

7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive" behavior. As usual with him, it's BS.


Read the following account.

Philips’ first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean hadn’t worked out as well. With the Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his country’s Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his lifeboat prison, enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors — and none was taken.

The guidance from National Command Authority — the President of the United States, Barrack Obama — had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the hostage’s life was in clear, extreme danger.

The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on by the Somali pirates — and again no fire was returned and no pirates killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by Navy personnel thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a mandate from the commander in chief’s staff not to act until Obama, a man with no background of dealing with such issues and no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a “peaceful solution” would be acceptable.

After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the onscene commander decided he’d had enough.

Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to the hostage’s life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue operation had been denied the day before, the Navy officer — unnamed in all media reports to date — decided the AK47 one captor had leveled at Philips’ back was a threat to the hostage’s life and ordered the NSWC team to take their shots. Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and Philips was safe.

There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over the last week that culminated in yesterday’s dramatic rescue of an American hostage. Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration and its supporters claimed victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put paid to questions of the inexperienced president’s toughness and decisiveness. Despite the Obama administration’s (and its sycophants’) attempt to spin yesterday’s success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort. What should have been a standoff lasting only hours — as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the location — became an embarrassing four day and counting standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.

kv
04-18-2009, 11:42 PM
in the back of my mind I thought this Naval Officer had the latitude to do this "command decision".

Bald1
04-19-2009, 12:33 AM
Scott,

When I first heard the caveat "imminent danger" for the ROEs from the Obamanation team, it gave me cause for pause. Reading the outline you were provided answers all the nagging questions and jives with what we historically have come to expect from the politically correct, talk no action, left leaning nutzoids who now unfortunately inhabit 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Asshats one and all :(

Tai-Pan
04-19-2009, 12:44 AM
We might have to wait for the tell-all book by one of the SEALs or the COM after they leave service.

Mike S
04-19-2009, 02:37 AM
Yeah I'd say it's prolly pretty accurate. I figured they’d stall for a while and let fatigue and lack of food and water take a toll but I never expected it to go on as long as it did nor did I know that the raggies were shooting their AKs at Navy personnel and vessels without a response. BHO is Jimmy Carter all over again. It won’t be long before we start losing the best and brightest from the armed forces as news of the true story makes its way around. And to think I thought we might start blasting some of these fucking ragheads out of the water and clean that area up. Instead I guess we’ll wait for a united nations resolution then do nothing. BHO will prolly apologize to the pirates for killing the three. What a clusterfuck. :( :mad: :(

Pistolero
04-19-2009, 09:07 AM
Nothing in that surprises me in the least. Between Hillary talking about a "21st Century solution" and the fuckwads response being to use an FBI hostage negotiator, shows we're going to try an deal with terrorism now just like we did after the WTC bombing in 1993... it's a law enforcement issue.

Bald1
04-21-2009, 07:24 PM
Just heard a "tickler" for O'Reilly's show tonight. He may just have this story.

I hope the truth, whatever it is, comes out. And if it is that the Obamanation and his leftist advisors first pushed the FBI negotiators in and ordered SpecOps to stay away, then later set very restrictive ROEs that smart OSCs circumvented taking out the bad guys, only to see the spin doctors claim unwarranted credit for BHO, that they be fully outed and condemned. (yeah I hyperventilate and run on when super pissed which I still am about this situation which has a very bad stink to it emanating from the White House!)